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Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:45:00 -
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really it's your own fault if you haven't checked out the corp and its history before wasting money. is that cold and harsh enough for you? I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:55:00 -
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that's a good point, it;s ridiculously cheap and easy to start a corp. I did it myself for a hoot, think it was 8 minutes training and a million or so ISK. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:28:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:[quote=Rex Aparte]The purpose of war decs is to let me fight anyone I want even in highsec. Be that because they're botters, or because they're part of the logistics for null sec operations, or because they insulted me, or because of any other reason at all.
The point of war decs is to let you fight someone. That's it. You can be butthurt if someone targets "weak" corps, but thats up to them - it is not, as you incorrectly imply - missing the "point" of war decs. It's absolutely on point.
War decs have and should not have a requirement to be "fair fights", or mutually agreed upon, despite what some themeparking idiots (including the odd csm member or ccp dev) says.
This is incorrect, read the definition. Wars are between corp and alliance entities not players. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:47:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:With the new Wardec Pricing model, CCP has explicitly stated that wardecs are about buying targets.
explicit or implicit? but of an odd use of language there.
it's still the corp that you're paying to declare war upon, not the players. just because you pay extra because it's a larger corp with more members doesn't mean those members are going to stick around or that you have any rights on them, which you don't. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 22:55:00 -
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yeah the only non-consensual PvP in highsec is the suicide gank, which is most certainly not an exploit.
it can also fail and give you a lolly exhumer killmail which is always delicious. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:32:00 -
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grizzled vet demands right to shoot noobs in highsec, probably.
i hope i die before i get grizzled vet. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:37:00 -
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you could just explain what any of that meant in the first place. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:27:00 -
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ultimately, seeking to fight people who don't wish to fight is the 'mechanic' that is to blame. perhaps your other hobby is herding cats, i don't know. but there's any number of people up for a ruck in this game and it's not terribly hard to find them. you might not find them on your terms but that;s what you're wishing on others so HTFU etc. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:41:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Suicide ganking is basically a gigantic artificial hoop that players have to jump through in order to get any sort of reaction out of someone who you don't like, for legitimate reasons or not. It's a huge undertaking if you want to start suicide ganking someone, especially if you are a player who doesn't want to live in lowsec or nullsec, a poor player, or a new player.
ah the I care about noobs (I want to gank) post.
glass cannons is all you get, meight. get better at sums. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 09:15:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Fairness is a two way street, not one. While it wouldn't be fair to go all hardcore on the mechanic, its also not fair for someone to spend 50 million for absolutely nothing of value to happen at all. Disband, reform, and all that happened is the aggressor lost 50 mil. I'm sorry, I'm against what a lot of the guys who want to expand wardecs are saying too, but ignoring this factor is just being self centered.
it's chump change for someone whose been playing the game for any length of time and it's just a risk you take when you declare war on a corp with no war history. if you're worried about losing money then you can use http://evewho.com/ to check the members' employment history also.
personally, I think the cost of starting a corp should be on par with the war dec to stop that behaviour but trying to force people to fight is just a bad mechanic. if a corp has nothing to defend then there's no reason for them to fight unless they feel like it. they could corphop, dock up and log out or just go ninja ratting in null for a week to **** off the deccer, it makes no odds. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
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Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 09:41:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:personally, I think the cost of starting a corp should be on par with the war dec to stop that behaviour but trying to force people to fight is just a bad mechanic. if a corp has nothing to defend then there's no reason for them to fight unless they feel like it. they could corphop, dock up and log out or just go ninja ratting in null for a week to **** off the deccer, it makes no odds. No. Not when you can now enter into existing wars by offering your assistance and even ask to be paid a price for it. You are just stuck in the old war mechanics. The new mechanics allow you to avoid the war-dec cost, to enter into existing wars and to make a profit while you can just stay docked and not help in the war at all.
someone has to pay to start the war though, regardless of how other players can join it. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 13:12:00 -
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dexington wrote:[quote=Rex Aparte]When you decide to leave the NPC corporations and start or join a player run corporation, you abandon the wardec protection that the NPC corporations provide, this is to some degree comparable with leaving hi-sec. You don't need to pay the npc tax, you can set up pos, form and alliance etc., but it comes at the cost of being legit war target of other players.
Currently the system is not working, and it is just as broken as the old bounty system.
nope because your continued membership of that corp is entirely voluntary and you would want to leave if your CEO and corpmates decide to dock up for the remainder and that's not how you want to play it. player corps are opt in and NPC holding corps are always the default for everyone other than new players. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:10:00 -
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asteroidjas wrote:I've given up on the "report bot" tool. It simply does not work.
Even then, there is NO reward when you turn in hundreds of them b/c CCP can't figure out how they are operating...yet in a couple hours i can find dozens. So i kinda stopped caring, b/c if CCP won't give me any compensation for doing their job better, then i will no longer do their job, and just wait for opportunities to gank the insanely faction fitted bot ships.
Thats my two cents.
Back On Topic.
I hate the fact that they are 100% SAFE instantly by quiting to an NPC corp, then remaking their exact same corp as soon as the last of their characters is out of corp and it is 'closed'
are you sure they're actually botters? i don't think botters would bother with a corp. there's nothing you can't do in an NPC corp with regard to mining afaik. even randoms in the belt i'm in can offer orca boost because it applies to fleet. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
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